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00:08:42 clkao summit 票還有兩張...
00:17:23 AceChen 剩一張?!
00:36:29 hychen https://realtimeboard.com/
00:36:33 hychen 這好像不錯用誒
01:02:33 clkao hychen: 很久以前有試過... 不過現在如何了
01:16:56 hychen clkao: 不曉得誒, 別人填在我寫的那的web service list上
01:17:18 * hychen 找時間研究一下
01:21:07 johnny__ 這個檔有沒有人可以幫我把J~P column的隱藏解開orz http://dbaskmg.kcg.gov.tw/nfile/PSDATA_2008_128_1041.xls
01:32:03 au johnny__: 都是空的
01:39:38 au johnny__: https://gist.github.com/audreyt/28139d358ded7a8fb529
01:39:40 kcwu au's url: [PSDATA_2008_128_1041.csv]
03:41:23 gugod clkao: 咦。那你的預知夢準嗎? XD
10:02:38 ipa 問一下，trello 上的 copyleft 是 irc 的 copyleft 嗎？
10:02:58 ipa 印象中好像是另一位
10:05:13 tkirby clkao: XD!
10:14:02 johnny__ au: 不支睡去，謝拉，看起來是449的最後一欄內容有逗號造成多算出一欄了
10:28:46 kiang ronnywang: http://community.g0v.tw/t/taiwanese-news-parser/248 有種似曾相識的感覺 XD
10:28:47 kcwu kiang's url: [[工具] taiwanese_news_parser 新聞解析器 - 新． g0v 後勤中心]
10:50:33 clkao ipa: copyleft is isacloud______
11:08:34 isacl ipa: yeah both me. 之前可能 irc 斷線被改名稱了。
11:10:02 copyleft 這個也是 isacl. 比較少看這邊。
11:14:37 kiang 這就是分身術吧 XD
11:19:07 nkl 請問要怎麼把scrollback插入hackfoldr啊?是放在ethercalc嗎?搜尋過了之前也有人問但是好像沒有人回@@"
11:19:31 yhsiang nkl: 要參考hack.g0v.tw
11:20:00 yhsiang nkl: https://github.com/g0v/hack.g0v.tw/blob/master/app/index.jade#L56
11:20:02 kcwu yhsiang's url: [hack.g0v.tw/index.jade at master · g0v/hack.g0v.tw · GitHub]
11:20:50 nkl 噢噢好我看看謝謝!!
11:22:46 yhsiang 應該是把streams改成你要的channel就可以了
11:23:04 yhsiang 64-68就是載入scrollback的client.min.js
11:25:56 nkl 嗯嗯
11:27:10 isacl kiang: lol.
11:28:10 isacl ipa: 請問是指，希望做 800 件衣服嗎？
11:38:53 ipa isacl: 不是喔，是原本 muka 定的預算上寫那個數字，所以要先了解目前一件的單價，再來討論要作幾件....
11:40:39 ipa isacl: 感覺賣 83 件太少，大概 150-200 差不多，保持限量是殘酷的感覺 XD
11:44:59 pipi 拿那麼多來賣不完又要搬走是很恐怖的QQ
11:51:46 isacl 一次作多是比較便宜，但第一次做這樣的形式，不知道品質會如何。（我們嘗試讓 g0v 的 0 可以正面切掉的地方印到背面去）
11:51:55 isacl 但我也同意賣 83 件有點少
11:52:57 isacl 總數量影響單價滿多的。或是我再用 400 件總數去詢問一次？
11:53:32 miaoski 有人去 SG 住過 Mt Emily 上的 YHA 嗎？
11:56:22 ipa isacl: 或 300 件賣 180 件，目標是11/9 全部賣完
11:58:19 hcchien isacl: 你有跟 Muka sync 一下嗎，他也有在問 t-shirt 的事 (行銷組組長)
11:58:51 isacl ipa: 嗯 300 也不錯，因為現在 200 件中女只有 60 件，單價非常高。80 件會有一個折扣。
11:59:14 isacl hcchien: 有幾封 email 往來. 這邊的討論我會再 sync 給他
11:59:28 hcchien ipa: banner 的信你跟 clkao 有決定嗎
11:59:42 ipa hcchien: 來回一下，一次+1
11:59:52 hcchien ok.
12:00:13 pipi 300件＋1
12:02:14 ipa isacl: 400 件要賣 280 件感覺會有點壓力
12:02:19 pipi 宅圈 180應該是賣的完 XD
12:02:38 ipa pipi: 我等下拍技能貼紙給你
12:02:49 * ipa 終於回到有放技能貼紙的家
12:03:21 pipi ipa＋＋
12:04:23 pipi https://g0v.hackpad.com/g0v-summit-2014--N8vF6GbXjb6
12:04:25 kcwu pipi's url: [g0v summit 2014 文件翻譯 [英>中] - g0v.hackpad.com]
12:04:29 pipi 努力中
12:44:53 kiang 大哉問： g0v 裡面有「遠見+實務經驗+人望+時間」的人物嗎？
12:44:54 isacl ipa, pipi: got it!
12:45:35 kiang 回覆：不要問為何沒有人做這個，先承認你就是『沒有人』 XD
12:46:22 pipi 人望是什麼＠＠？
12:47:03 kiang 就村長喊一聲下面村民響應的數量？
12:48:26 pipi 村長的人氣大考驗（喂）
13:04:10 lanf0n 晚上的 ppt http://www.slideshare.net/lanfon/politwoopstw-final
13:04:11 kcwu lanf0n's url: [twPolitwoops final]
13:04:40 * lanf0n 移動去上課
14:02:31 miaoski pipi: ++
14:08:20 pipi 看到miaoski只好來喵一下惹
14:08:29 miaoski @@
14:08:35 miaoski 現在還沒半夜!!!
14:08:44 miaoski pipi: 我以為你只有半夜 12 點才會喵
14:09:05 * pipi 好想切豆腐
14:09:13 miaoski pipi: 快有了...
14:09:29 miaoski (字典的豆腐，不是獻金的)
14:09:33 pipi 不能偶爾白天喵嗚嗎 QQ
14:28:36 kiang http://data.g0v.tw/dataset/90
14:28:36 kcwu kiang's url: [2014 九合一選舉資料 | 零時資料中心]
14:29:06 kiang 這樣子建置資料好像蠻費時間的 XD ，可能需要有專門的人維護吧
14:29:34 jimyhuang__ kiang: wow!!!
14:29:42 jimyhuang__ kiang: 搜尋的問題，我修一下
14:30:50 jimyhuang__ kiang: 疑，還有檔名變成 OOO.csv 問題... Orz
14:31:18 kiang jimyhuang__: 因為它不接受中文檔名，所以我自己轉的
14:34:17 jimyhuang__ got it ~
14:36:42 AmosYang Hello?
14:37:24 Lee1092 Hi
14:37:29 Lee1092 kiang++
14:37:59 kiang AmosYang: welcome ;)
14:38:11 Lee1092 五星資料!!! XD
14:38:16 AmosYang 你好，請教一下， g0v.tw 是否有 roadmap 一類的資料可以看? (在 g0v.tw 上逛了一圈，好像沒看到)
14:38:36 AmosYang Hello kiang :)
14:39:13 kiang AmosYang: 應該沒有這種東西的，我也曾經找過，然後就產生心得 http://blog.twpug.org/607
14:39:14 kcwu kiang's url: [g0v, 給新手的換句話說, 以台北車站為例 | TWPUG::Kiang]
14:40:15 AmosYang thanks, reading it now
14:41:03 kiang AmosYang: 你期待的東西也許會在 http://ocf.tw/ 有機會看到吧 :)
14:41:04 kcwu kiang's url: [開放文化基金會]
14:41:21 Lee1092 g0v 的坑是隨機出現的，也是隨機填滿的~
14:41:58 AmosYang thanks, reading that now :)
14:43:13 AmosYang Just my gut feeling, what you guys have achieved is amazing, and you guys should consider to push it to the next level
14:44:13 AmosYang >> 提供國外非政府法人的對應窗口，對開放、開源有需要進一步聯繫者
14:44:45 AmosYang 在 ocf.tw 上看到這行…有點看不懂它的意思
14:45:21 kiang AmosYang: 簡單的說就是讓開放原始碼社群可以有一個處理金流的窗口，畢竟大部分都沒有法人身份
14:46:02 kiang 像是台灣對於募資有很多奇怪的規定，一般個人不能公開勸募的
14:46:32 AmosYang 所謂「國外非政府法人」是指？在台灣之外的華人團體?
14:47:02 kiang 應該是國外非營利組織吧
14:48:51 AmosYang 也就是，假設美國加州有(美國人)組織想要用 g0v.tw 寫的開源程式，可以由 ocf.tw 接洽…?
14:49:11 kiang 或該說非政府組織（ NGO ）
14:50:07 kiang AmosYang: g0v 的程式基本上都是開放原始碼授權， ocf.tw 比較明確的任務也許是 "如果想捐錢給 g0v ，請洽 ocf.tw "
14:50:16 AmosYang I see
14:50:50 AmosYang Have g0v.tw been reaching out?
14:50:53 AmosYang beyond Taiwan?
14:51:12 kiang AmosYang: http://g0v.asia/ ，如果這個算的話 XD
14:51:55 AmosYang reading that now
14:52:12 AmosYang um... kinda pointless IMHO
14:52:55 AmosYang the juicy meat "Our Projects" is all written in Chinese XD
14:54:57 kiang AmosYang: 大概就是送了一些 PR 給 upstream 吧，目前境外用的比較多的大概就香港吧 XD
14:55:17 AmosYang How much of g0v.tw's code base is readily reusable?
14:55:26 AmosYang i.e. in the form of "solutions" instead of "products" ?
14:56:14 AmosYang (just a ballpark estimation would be fine :))
14:57:46 kiang AmosYang: 也許需要自己看看吧 - https://github.com/g0v ，基本上 g0v 的專案是需求導向，倒不是為了包裝成產品或解決方案
14:57:48 kcwu kiang's url: [g0v · GitHub]
14:58:16 AmosYang >> 基本上 g0v 的專案是需求導向，倒不是為了包裝成產品或解決方案
14:58:23 AmosYang and I think that needs to change
14:58:53 AmosYang What you guys need now is more allies, not more code <-- just my opinion
14:59:34 kiang AmosYang: 不過 https://www.moedict.tw/ 倒是一個適合的例子，對全球推廣中文 XD
14:59:35 kcwu kiang's url: [萌典 – 教育部國語、臺語、客語辭典民間版]
15:00:01 AmosYang that looks nice
15:00:16 AmosYang and 0 i18n = kinda pointless
15:01:31 AmosYang For the record, you guys are doing a great job. However, like I mentioned, what you guys need is allies
15:03:05 AmosYang Allies = people OUTSIDE Taiwan and not coming from Taiwan who cares about you
15:03:45 au AmosYang: agreed - some friends are coming to the summit in November - http://www.slideshare.net/autang/the-sunflower-movement-online-communities-governments-transparency/102 has a partial list
15:03:46 kcwu au's url: [The Sunflower Movement — Online Communities, Governments & Transparen…]
15:04:36 AmosYang a good start, and you need 1000x more
15:04:46 kiang AmosYang: http://g0v.tw/en-US/talk.html clkao & au 比較常將 g0v 的運作經驗分享給國外的朋友 :)
15:04:47 kcwu kiang's url: [演講資訊]
15:06:02 au AmosYang: if you'd like to help building awareness plz help giving a talk and contribute to https://g0v.hackpad.com/ep/group/DDDOQCuwkLs and maybe write up a int'l version of https://g0v.hackpad.com/OPEN-to-the-PUBLIC--jB0RqcDzlAa
15:06:04 kcwu au's url (2/2): [OPEN to the PUBLIC 廣宣團籌備處 - g0v.hackpad.com]
15:06:05 kcwu au's url (1/2): [廣宣團 - g0v.hackpad.com]
15:06:12 AmosYang Here is an idea: package your code, put your logo on it, SOLVE your foreign friends problem
15:06:25 AmosYang TALKs do very little
15:06:51 * a-tsioh will be outside Taiwan pretty soon :p
15:07:08 AmosYang and trust me, no one is gonna bother to read a wall of text of your story :)
15:07:25 AmosYang but if you solve their problems for them, then they will start pay attention
15:07:43 AmosYang basic business negotiation 101
15:08:43 AmosYang can't remember where I saw it on g0v.tw -- there was this project that visualizes heavy metal pollution and crap stuff
15:09:11 AmosYang pick 100 counties in USA, make websites for them
15:09:13 AmosYang boom
15:09:22 au AmosYang: ok. we're building poplus components ( http://blog.clkao.org/post/197828/poplus-global-civic-hacking-community ) I think cl can talk more about that -- but thank you, really good idea.
15:09:23 kcwu au's url: [Poplus - 世界公民黑客社群大亂鬥 « clkao's Blog]
15:09:43 au would you like to volunteer picking out those 100 counties? perhaps write up on g0v.hackpad.com ?
15:10:08 AmosYang reading that
15:10:17 clkao jimyhuang__: dkan 作者放話有需要幫忙可以問他 XD
15:10:40 clkao 剛去跟中選會開會完投開票所地點會有一份合併起來的檔案
15:11:37 a-tsioh Actually there are a few project that I'd like to "recycle" back in France
15:11:39 kiang clkao++, 希望是文字格式 XD
15:12:07 kiang a-tsioh++
15:12:14 AmosYang done reading -- sweet! That's on the right track :D
15:12:15 a-tsioh but an important part of the job is dealing with incompatible data sources for which parser code is always a one-shot
15:12:46 au a-tsioh++ # backporting (de l'avenir!)
15:12:57 AmosYang >> would you like to volunteer picking out those 100 counties?
15:13:08 a-tsioh visualisation can be shared (then we need a clear and well documented data-format in the middle)
15:13:26 AmosYang Yes - I am sure there are EPA groups who have compiled this sort of data
15:13:40 clkao a few international foundations are interested in funding ronnywang's crowdsource OCR platofrm
15:14:07 a-tsioh au++ backport from the futur sounds like a great movie title
15:14:22 au AmosYang: ok plz research (at your convenience) and post on hackpad when you have a cycle so folks not on IRC / backlogging can pick up and run with it
15:15:04 AmosYang One question: What's your general take when it comes to "discipline" within g0v.tw ?
15:15:35 au as in fields of specialization?
15:15:56 clkao or whips?
15:16:04 AmosYang i.e. Do g0v.tw members in general realize that they need more than just passion to succeed?
15:16:57 au I'm pretty sure people realize we need sharing the passion too :)
15:16:59 clkao i think it's well noted, as people are collaborating based on what individuals are good at.
15:17:42 AmosYang Or, to put it in another way, Are g0v.tw members realize it's not time to conserve -- it's like to embrace, assess, and tame risks?
15:17:53 AmosYang typo: like -> time
15:18:00 au tame -> take
15:19:03 au or you really mean tame? :) anyways yeah, I think it's pretty well noted, we're still at early staged of exploration and pioneering.
15:19:55 au *stages
15:20:04 AmosYang good to know :)
15:21:02 a-tsioh now it's all about whips and taming ?
15:21:18 a-tsioh 可以不要嗎？
15:21:26 AmosYang basically I am that crazy guy who was trying to sell this idea: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/BBSview/M.1412448166.A.06C.html
15:21:32 kcwu AmosYang's url: [[討論] PTT vNext - 看板 BBSview - 批踢踢實業坊]
15:21:52 au a-tsioh: whipped risks sounds delicious
15:22:04 clkao I think you can talk to ben jai who said he is willing to cover the costs
15:22:05 kcwu 疑, AmosYang 出現了, hello :)
15:22:25 clkao 疑, kcwu 出現了, hello :)
15:22:26 AmosYang hello kcwu :)
15:22:35 kiang kcwu 本尊現身 XD
15:23:40 AmosYang I feel that g0v.tw has got great momentum
15:24:33 AmosYang and it's time to tune down "creativity" and favor discipline -- for a few good reasons
15:24:54 AmosYang unless there is already clearly defined roadmap that says otherwise
15:25:07 AmosYang (actually, the lack of a roadmap is concerning)
15:25:41 au each project has its own roadmap and g0v has only a manifesto http://g0v.tw/en-US/manifesto.html as it's where people meet.
15:25:41 kcwu au's url: [零時政府宣言]
15:26:10 AmosYang reading...
15:26:11 au (we love projects that have well-defined roadmaps.)
15:27:30 AmosYang yeah that's well written, just like $$ fund prospectus, important, and kinda pointless XD
15:27:34 au AmosYang: re PTT vNext, kiang 之前有在架 reddit, 但也許直接弄一個 subreddit 就可以了？
15:28:13 kiang au: 誤會一場，我只有嘴砲、推坑而已，但是之前要推的人跑掉了 XD
15:28:39 au 那剛好出現了泛用人型編碼器，推他吧 xD
15:28:48 AmosYang XD
15:29:18 kiang 能推一定第一時間就推的啊： http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PublicIssue/M.1412585383.A.A41.html
15:29:18 kcwu kiang's url: [Re: [討論] PTT vNext 建構更新更自由的Ptt - 看板 PublicIssue - 批踢踢實業坊]
15:30:21 clkao AmosYang: it's intentionally pointless so different people can make their own point in the same space, with common grounds. i guess that's sort of the point.
15:30:29 AmosYang I am going to admit that I am biased -- in those PTT posts I gave a brief intro to my own background
15:30:53 AmosYang 7 years working on MS TFS, and drank tons of that ALM koolaid
15:31:05 AmosYang especially when it comes to software business
15:31:24 kiang ref: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PublicIssue/M.1412648534.A.0E4.html
15:31:32 AmosYang Since I have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail to me ;)
15:31:54 clkao it's certainly very different from grassroot opensource projects
15:32:27 AmosYang I am biased and am thinking about the whole g0v.tw thing as a software business problem (while still trying to stay aligned with its original objectives)
15:34:06 au AmosYang: we welcome githubbers and TFSers alike :) do keep in mind we're all volunteers here and so the only currency is time and passion... but I'm sure the ALM methodology has a lot to contribute
15:34:09 AmosYang the lack of a clear roadmap / overall strategy concerns me ; the fact that you guys are reaching out is great
15:34:37 AmosYang >> we're all volunteers here and so the only currency is time and passion...
15:34:42 AmosYang that's what concerns me the most
15:34:58 AmosYang Taiwan people in general think they have the luxury of time
15:35:54 AmosYang Yes it may sound like a rational decision: Since I am volunteering, therefore I want to do what I enjoy
15:36:08 AmosYang however, that's just losing sights of bigger things
15:36:28 AmosYang (I am not saying people should do free work for nothing)
15:36:39 clkao who said "we're all volunteers here and so the only currency is time and passion..... " ?
15:36:46 au well there's been attempts to put some structure on it http://watchout.kktix.cc/events/g0vxwatchout
15:36:48 kcwu au's url: [g0v X Watchout! : Summer of Code]
15:36:51 AmosYang I am just pointing out that sometimes rational thinking isn't so rational
15:37:14 au and if you have similar ideas (ocf.tw has some ideas too) it'd be great to pursue too
15:38:22 au clkao: I did, that was re the software business analogy. (I'm aware of g0vxwatchout and similar structures that amends the volunteering base.)
15:38:54 AmosYang (reading)
15:39:53 AmosYang very cool
15:42:36 a-tsioh reminds me I have to bother OCF folks about crowdfounding (so I won't be volonteer anymore ?)
15:43:12 au a-tsioh: you'd be voluntold -- by the crowd!
15:44:24 clkao a-tsioh++ it's still relatively in flux, but please send in your rough idea about budget/outcome etc
15:45:07 a-tsioh give the crowd some whips ?
15:45:52 au la foule fouettée?
15:46:02 a-tsioh clkao: there is a hackpad but no precise budget on it yet, mostly about the outcomes
15:46:25 a-tsioh XD by opposition to «la crême fouttée» ?
15:47:33 a-tsioh clkao: https://g0v.hackpad.com/TaigiLex#TaigiLex (work in progress but all the ideas must be there)
15:47:36 kcwu a-tsioh's url: [TaigiLex - g0v.hackpad.com]
15:50:41 clkao a-tsioh++
15:50:58 pm5 AmosYang: various taskforces/startups have been launched from g0v.tw projects
15:51:15 pm5 AmosYang: like http://timemap.kuansim.com/ or http://watchout.tw/, to name a few.
15:51:16 kcwu pm5's url (1/2): [Home]
15:51:16 kcwu pm5's url (2/2): [沃草！Watchout]
15:51:49 AmosYang sorry was reading clkao's blog
15:52:00 AmosYang reading those now
15:52:14 pm5 AmosYang: they are more focused on strategy and project scope
15:54:49 pm5 AmosYang: WatchOut has two products now, http://musou.tw/ and http://wethepeople.tw/
15:54:51 kcwu pm5's url (1/2): [國會無雙]
15:54:52 kcwu pm5's url (2/2): [市長，給問嗎？]
15:55:24 AmosYang Yeah I heard about watchout during *the 318 era* :D
15:56:31 pm5 AmosYang: both are somewhat based on previous g0v.tw works
15:57:40 kiang https://g0v.hackpad.com/ 應該可以挖出不少寶，就一個拾荒的概念 XD
15:57:55 pm5 the first one from g0v work on ivod; the second one implements some ideas from 動民主
15:58:05 AmosYang anyhow :) I think I've stated what I wanted to communicate across -- I understand your way of doing things (I've participated in a few oss projects, too), and I guess I made my points
15:58:24 AmosYang if there is *time*, I'd have no problem with your way
15:59:05 AmosYang however, shit like the current PTT Radio saga can hit the fan anytime now
16:00:02 pm5 AmosYang: the nice thing about g0v.tw is that you don't need to convince everyone to start your work :)
16:00:07 clkao if people can enough (like you) they will act ;)
16:00:11 AmosYang if g0v.tw as a collective being / entity can't reach a concensus and recognize the urgency, that's fine with me too :)
16:00:19 pm5 AmosYang: you just need to convince enough friends to work with you
16:00:46 AmosYang Yes, I understand that. I understand the OSS ways
16:01:40 AmosYang GitHub would not stand a chance against TFS if it were following the OSS ways
16:02:08 AmosYang unless there's a fundmental change in computing technology / consume trends
16:02:26 AmosYang e.g. MS Windows Phone just f-ed up by Andriods and iPhone really bad XDD
16:03:40 AmosYang I understand the OSS ideology
16:03:42 au Git (the core community) stays OSS and GitHub (the venture) bridges it to the enterprise world, that's how healthy ecosystems look like
16:04:23 au MS is doing the same with Kubernetes on Azure, iirc
16:04:43 AmosYang and again, Git is / was / will never be under the pressure of time
16:05:20 au *nod*
16:05:30 AmosYang Linux didn't care, because it was / is / will never be running a race against time
16:05:46 AmosYang hence, given enough time, the OSS way would work
16:06:23 AmosYang the ultimate goal of g0v.tw, I presume, is to prevent Taiwan from getting fucked up by China
16:06:44 au for some of contributors I presume, certainly not all :)
16:07:18 a-tsioh AmosYang: "Swarmwise" By Rick Falkvinge may be a good read too to go beyond the software industry inspiration (if you havn't already)
16:08:33 AmosYang haven't read it - but love Ch6's title: Screw Democracy, We're on a mission from God
16:08:50 a-tsioh XD
16:09:01 clkao LOL
16:09:11 a-tsioh strictly speaking I would'nt describe g0v as democratic
16:09:17 a-tsioh but I got to go :p
16:10:50 au (it's more actocratic than democratic for sure.)
16:13:24 AmosYang back to where I was - anyhow, I am not the best salesman selling my ideas -- if the general consensus of g0v.tw wants to stick with its current way, you have all of my blessings
16:13:42 AmosYang and in face, I am gonna drop in US$15k
16:13:49 AmosYang face -> fact
16:13:56 AmosYang and wish you all the best of luck
16:14:31 au there really is on consensus just pools of ideas
16:14:34 au *no
16:15:07 AmosYang only if you accept it as it is
16:15:10 au so please do start a project on PTT vNext -- personally I'm interested :)
16:16:48 AmosYang I've another 2 projects on my backlog and one of them is getting actual funding and may make some money :) PTT vNext sounds fun too, but it's kinda pointless if I can't get g0v.tw behind it
16:16:49 au well, there's _rough_ consensus, but to get solid consensus on thousands of contributors is a logistically diffcult problem that -- if you'd like to tackle, would be great too
16:16:52 AmosYang since it's a race against time
16:18:37 AmosYang I agree - very few can manage 1000's of devs
16:18:49 AmosYang even in MS DevDiv we have about only 2000 ish
16:18:53 au k. wish you all the best then. getting g0v.tw behind a project is as simple as pitching it in a hackathon or writing up a hackpad, and get 10s of volunteers rather than 1000s
16:20:12 AmosYang yep I will give it a try
16:20:20 au AmosYang++ # awesome!
16:20:39 au -> need to afk too for lunch, have a good localtime \o
16:20:49 AmosYang :)
16:20:53 AmosYang it's 1am here
16:20:57 AmosYang should go to bed too
16:22:55 clkao 因為 summit keynote 是加拿大大咖收到來自加拿大台北辦事處的關切 XD
16:23:07 hychen clkao: !
16:23:32 clkao AmosYang++
16:23:43 hychen clkao: 怎樣的關切? 發信來了解summit是什麼?
16:23:57 pm5 AmosYang++
16:24:03 clkao yeah, more or less
16:24:37 clkao 並不是要建交或承認政府之類的 XD
16:36:51 pipi AmosYang: 有興趣
16:37:40 AmosYang ?
16:39:22 pipi AmosYang: 更自由的ptt
16:39:36 AmosYang i see :)
16:41:52 AmosYang If you are interested, check this out https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PublicIssue/M.1412560751.A.5A6.html
16:41:53 kcwu AmosYang's url: [Fw: [討論] PTT vNext - 看板 PublicIssue - 批踢踢實業坊]
16:42:10 AmosYang I suppose I should copy/paste that to hackpad
16:44:57 pipi AmosYang: 私訊聊XD
16:45:35 clkao 請盡量公開討論，私訊難以累積 ;)
16:46:40 AmosYang either way, I don't mind :) ( though clkao does have a point )
16:47:50 pipi 村長，有些事情不能公開說啦QQ
16:49:26 CindyLinz 高村長挫折.. (逃)
16:49:34 clkao 那就直接私下說，也不用告訴大家你要私下說，免得別人覺得什麼事情都要私下說
16:49:42 pipi 好
16:51:14 clkao AmosYang: legal defense fund 感覺不見得要綁在單一平台似乎可是個獨立的專案?
16:53:41 AmosYang agree - it can be expanded
16:55:21 AmosYang anything that will (1) fight off the legal trolls, and (2) win over allies
16:55:26 AmosYang we should give it a try
16:56:31 clkao will you draft some sample scenario? TAHR is also setting up a new task force this year for net neutrality related issues
16:58:36 AmosYang the lazy man's version: Just read slashdot.org, the yro, you rights online section, and jump in and make a mess :D
16:59:01 clkao ha
16:59:58 AmosYang rule of thumb, if a case makes it to thepopehat.com
17:00:12 AmosYang AND if we have the resource to spare, then we should jump in
17:01:05 AmosYang wrong URL (did I crash kcwu's bot? :D ) , the correct one: http://www.popehat.com/
17:01:06 kcwu AmosYang's url: [Popehat]
17:03:04 pipi 人機合一吃的是完整url
17:08:46 a0000778 徵求點意見... G8V電視牆插入直播畫面跟直播聊天有沒有強制拆開來的必要?
17:19:07 kiang 國會大代誌是自動更新的嗎？
17:21:24 kiang 院總第 1044 號 / 政府提案第 15117 號在國會大代誌還找不到
17:25:23 clkao 可能哪裡有問題晚點看看
17:26:05 kiang clkao++
17:26:46 clkao kiang: 其實我剛也發現了 XD
17:27:06 kiang 可能大家都看同一封信吧 XD
17:31:28 ipa http://odw.tw/ 11/7 的活動，總召說要提供 g0v 社群六張票，晚點拿到邀請碼再開 hackpad 先搶先得
17:31:29 kcwu ipa's url: [2014 開放資料工作坊 | Open Data Workshop 2014 - 政府與公民的協作]
17:33:21 kiang https://github.com/blog/1903-patchwork-night-taipei-edition - github 官方活動耶
17:33:22 kcwu kiang's url: [Patchwork Night, Taipei Edition · GitHub]
17:44:17 AmosYang https://g0v.hackpad.com/PTT-vNext-kt3vsWylF9i
17:44:19 kcwu AmosYang's url: [PTT vNext - g0v.hackpad.com]
17:45:18 pipi AmosYang: ++
17:49:28 clkao kcwu: 請問 makemaper 有提供 api 嗎？
17:51:28 kcwu clkao: 你是說 google map maker ?
17:52:24 AmosYang 呃… 有人也無法存取 https://g0v.hackpad.com/PTT-vNext-kt3vsWylF9i 嗎?
17:52:47 kiang AmosYang: 我可以看到
17:53:37 AmosYang 我這邊 chrome 突然發爐說 "This webpage is not available" :o
17:54:47 kiang 美國也有偉大的牆？ XD - 可能是快取問題吧，重開瀏覽器看看
17:55:16 AmosYang hackpad is now dropbox... which IS in US XDD
17:56:03 kiang 偉大的牆好像不只擋外部流量？ XD
17:56:10 dirty_ AmosYang: a little hard to read, no segmentation
17:56:48 AmosYang it's just like my code -- it was hard to write, so it's hard to read :D
17:57:02 AmosYang (fixing it)
17:58:00 pipi AmosYang: 趕快睡吧@@
17:58:05 AmosYang 原文是從 PTT 上 cp/paste 過來…或許把字型改 fixed width … trying...
17:58:53 AmosYang aaand I don't see a way to change the font
17:59:14 AmosYang pipi: I want to :D
18:01:25 jimyhuang__ clkao: will open issue to upstream :p
19:09:22 yhsiang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi5KaOSQQxI # 直播
19:09:23 kcwu yhsiang's url: [g0v X watchout Summer of Code 期末發表 - YouTube]
19:13:50 clkao yhsiang++
19:14:43 hychen bobchao: featured attendee of the submit!
19:15:24 bobchao ^^;
19:19:19 caasihuang yhsiang++
19:22:35 yhsiang 是學生們++ XD
19:36:59 pm5 yhsiang++
19:38:07 au Cassettes++
19:38:18 pm5 xsoameix++ lanf0n++
19:38:48 pm5 iris++
19:45:32 Lee1092_ 今天下午的討論讓我想起 ETBlue 的公民臉書 XD
19:48:19 yhsiang 不是聽說有人要做出來了？ XD
19:51:53 hychen 誰?
19:52:54 Lee1092_ 只有看到五月份 hackpad 文件提到 poga XD
19:54:14 yhsiang 多cue一下 ETBlue
19:54:52 poga 我沒做出來 >_<
19:55:22 yhsiang 吳育昇不簡單啊....
20:07:46 ipa bobchao好威，在 tim o'reilly 旁邊
20:11:50 clkao what's the event?
20:12:04 ipa websummit
20:12:17 yhsiang 再dublin QQ
20:12:28 ipa http://websummit.net/attendees/attendees-2014
20:12:30 kcwu ipa's url: [Attendees 2014 | Web Summit]
20:12:38 ipa 就是 colin 要去的嗎？
20:12:54 clkao ah right. dublin
20:12:56 yhsiang 我本來也想去der~
20:14:02 ipa 難怪 bobchao 說 g0v summit 不在台灣， poplis 的 colin 也要去的吧？
20:14:48 ipa 咦我重複說了colin（腦殘）
20:16:12 yhsiang XD
20:25:44 ipa yhsiang 跑到鏡頭前面！:p
20:28:13 ipa 不如冬天就 winter of code? XDDD
20:29:25 miaoski winter of code (woot)
20:57:08 kiang each Q of code => every month => every week => everyday => yet another debuguy borned XD
20:57:21 au ipa: 很專業有運鏡的 1080p 還在後製，iPad 側錄的 480p 先傳上來: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYl-stD7CQ
20:57:23 kcwu au's url: [The Sunflower Movement — Online Communities, Governments & Transparency (au @ metalab) - YouTube]
20:57:35 kiang au++
21:09:59 clkao kiang: somehow bill-detail worker 塞了一堆垃圾所以一直沒有取得新的議案資訊
21:10:07 clkao 正在 flush 中...
21:10:33 kiang clkao++
21:11:49 clkao au: 疑我以為你用德文講 XD
21:12:01 clkao kiang: 好像要很久有 30 萬筆無效的 txn
21:12:20 clkao pgq subscription 要 rearchitect 一下了... orz
21:13:08 au clkao: 後來來不及 re 了，只好下次再說 XD
21:19:40 lanf0n 只好繼續報WoC了(?
21:47:09 lanf0n yhsiang: 忘了問心得什麼時候要交了QQ(還有格式
21:48:58 mrorz yhsiang: 那個有人做的公民臉書是指這個嗎 --> http://wapo.st/1Ej5qub
21:49:01 kcwu mrorz's url: [Inside Brigade: A look at the bet Sean Parker’s making on his ‘civic network’ - The Washington Post]
22:07:12 clkao kcwu: is there api for google mapmaker?
22:27:19 pipi https://g0v.hackpad.com/summit-2014--N9wpxWfCcFm
22:27:21 kcwu pipi's url: [summit 2014 工作戰報 - g0v.hackpad.com]
22:28:12 pipi 是明天是嗎？
22:28:58 ipa pipi: 是組長會議
22:32:33 miaoski au: 疑，我也以為你用德文講?
22:32:44 miaoski XDD
22:33:29 miaoski 德文講的話，會有作者提供的逐字稿嗎? (被毆飛)
22:38:27 miaoski pcchen: XDXF 的問題看來不小. 最新的 spec 不建議用 visual 格式，但許多軟體只支援這種格式...
22:50:30 kiang 八卦板的後勁好強，小主機看起來要被打掛了...
22:55:34 kcwu clkao: 好像沒有
23:08:46 pipi ipa: 那就不用去惹XD
23:19:11 au miaoski: 主要問題是譯者兼 localhost 身體不太舒服，無法事前完成逐字稿翻譯，所以我也就不能背稿了...
23:19:38 miaoski au: 多保重
23:20:45 xsoameix yhsiang: 我的充電器忘在那邊 orz
23:21:24 xsoameix 請問我可以明天過去拿嗎？
23:23:22 clkao iphone 真的很愛裝熟耶，「明天早上看來沒什麼事情」
23:24:48 clkao 講個秘訣，半小時後又會有 3 張票釋出
23:29:06 * miaoski 正在思索阿美語字典要怎麼切割
23:29:49 miaoski 愈想愈覺得不適合 merge 進 master，但又很想跟著 deploy 到 moedict.tw (或是 amis.moedict.tw ?)
23:30:28 miaoski 去了一趟花蓮，發現事情比想像的複雜。長老教會和新教有跟著原民會的新式拼音。天主教會用的是舊式的。
23:30:52 au miaoski: amis.moedict.tw++
23:31:15 miaoski 但天主教的勢力也不小，所以兩邊都有人用... 並不是 g -> ng 那麼單純而已。
23:32:25 miaoski 然後一般都是用 ascii 排序，但李壬癸教授建議吳明義教授，要按照 m n ng o p ' ^ r s t 這個順序... 所以目前詞條最多的(商業)字典用的是這種順序。
23:32:35 pofeng 原來萌典有上 google play 推薦喔 !!
23:33:08 miaoski pofeng: 如果你用的是繁體中文 :) 像我手機用日文的，打「萌」不會自動出現萌典 :P
23:33:23 pofeng 也是啦 :p
23:34:58 pofeng 然後竟然還推薦我 "離線"遊戲 ... 真厲害 :p
23:43:46 xsoameix yhsiang: 明天我可以去拿我的充電器嗎？
23:45:48 yhsiang xsoameix: XD 我知道可以吧
23:46:17 johnny__ 有沒有人有興趣幫追這條 issue https://github.com/g0v/councilor-voter-guide/issues/12 可能需要寫信或打電話給議會
23:46:20 kcwu johnny__'s url: [議員工程配合款原始 excel 議員名字錯誤 · Issue #12 · g0v/councilor-voter-guide · GitHub]
23:46:32 xsoameix 晚上會有人嗎？
23:47:39 yhsiang xsoameix: 你幾點要來?
23:48:55 xsoameix 恩，看來要請假下午的課了...我 2 ~ 4 點到，這樣可以嗎？
23:51:07 yhsiang xsoameix: 不然用7-11交貨便?
23:51:15 jimyhuang__ ETBlue: ipa clkao 所以明天有要過來？
23:53:31 clkao jimyhuang__: i believe so
23:53:46 clkao kiang: http://ly.g0v.tw/bills/1044G15117 is up
23:54:24 pofeng johnny__: ok 我明天來打電話問問看看 http://www.tcc.gov.tw/cp.aspx?n=C526D22344F1DACE
23:54:27 kcwu pofeng's url: [臺北市議會-市民服務中心]
23:55:01 xsoameix 喔，太好了，那我要準備甚麼呢？
23:55:24 xsoameix 運費應該是我出，我太初心了 orz
23:55:48 xsoameix s/初/粗/g
23:56:57 yhsiang xsoameix: 取貨門市 ?
23:57:17 xsoameix 中央大學後門有小 7
23:57:31 xsoameix 要不要我貼個連結？
23:57:39 johnny__ pofeng: 感謝！10/11要生圖表緊繃緊繃的如果可以的話，請他先查"周建榮"，這個完全不像打錯字，找不到類似的名字
23:57:55 yhsiang xsoameix: http://emap.pcsc.com.tw/emap.aspx XD
23:57:56 kcwu yhsiang's url: [歡迎使用電子地圖系統]